Are ENTJs underappreciated?

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Re: Are ENTJs underappreciated?

Postby NullA » Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:19 pm

Under appreciated? I'll add it to my TODO list:

You get your hate-mail auto delivered to your paper shredder. And you go back home to your million dollar mansion, where your victoria's secret model girlfriend is waiting to appreciate you ;)
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Re: Are ENTJs underappreciated?

Postby Jack Mon Drake » Fri Apr 16, 2010 4:55 pm

"In my experience being an ENTJ, there's always half of the people who think you're awesome and half of the people who hate your guts because you always say the obvious truth that everyone is so silent about."

It is so true. I can think of countless occasions where people hate me for no particular reason. But to the main question: are we under appreciated? No. Look at Napoleon, for example, he led over one million people to their deaths in Russia. He had been told to hold off, yet he had a "hunch" that it would work out. He was stubborn. The ENTJ kind of stubborn. Should that be appreciated? The blood of lives on your hands, should it be something to hold in high appreciation? No. He is but an example of how we are bad influences on society. The only thing you can take away from this, is that they should be appreciated for doing what we all want. When others might hesitate we (ENTJs) have already planned it. I believe that is commendable, it should be recognized, but until we break free from the evil manipulator stereotype that will never happen.
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Re: Are ENTJs underappreciated?

Postby Ace_ » Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:59 am

I think Vladimir Putin is a solid ENTJ and he's like adored in Russia. I'm not saying he doesn't have some black spots in his history but a huge portion of the Russian population think he's awesome. And he has done a lot for Russia.

Caesar was probably an ENTJ too and the historian Suetonius wrote that among the Romans, "Caesar ranked among the gods, not only by formal decree, but in the hearts and minds of the people."

I could find more examples if I tried.

People who make MBTI websites seem to think "oh, he was a good leader, helped the people and cared for them, definitely a feeler" . If you're a thinker it doesn't mean you're an asshole who only cares for himself.

ENTJs are outspoken and sometimes blunt and that's why some people don't like us. But there's a saying that goes: "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." by Winston Churchill, who is also a good candidate for an ENTJ imho.
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Re: Are ENTJs underappreciated?

Postby cbaute7 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:29 am

Underappreciated and probably loathed in general. On average, ENTJs are more productive, goal oriented, educated and highly compensated than other groups. We tend to be the producers in society. This automatically makes us underappreciated by others.
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Re: Are ENTJs underappreciated?

Postby nickgraz2010 » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:59 am

on the topic of Bill Gates, I actually read online ( an article on MBTI typing and IQ relation ) that Bill Gates would have been a very successful emperor if he were born a few centuries before ours. Kind of makes sense as Microsoft really is an empire in its own right.
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Re: Are ENTJs underappreciated?

Postby Anthracite » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:20 pm

ComplexMango wrote:Hypotheses

Is there something in the ENTJ approach or psyche that does not serve to 'endear'?

There may be something to it, sure. I've noticed a sort of "good buddy" mentality with others. In a work scenario, they want to fart around and collect a paycheck. They tend get upset, when you put them back on task. You're making them look bad, and they know it. They just don't want to take responsibility for their behavior. I think another part is that "I do what I want" mentality that gets little done. I'm more tempted to keep other people in line, and thus, make myself an easy target.

As far as being under appreciated, they'll thank me later. If they don't, they can go jump off a cliff.

ComplexMango wrote:Can anyone name a single famous 'beloved' ENTJ?

If the typing is correct, I think Katherine Hepburn would be a fine consideration. Fiery and unsinkable, yet genuinely adored by moviegoers (not to mention very attractive). I'll leave some room open for mistyping though.
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Re: Are ENTJs underappreciated?

Postby a2jc4life » Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:15 pm

Underappreciated? Probably as often as any other type. Hated? Well, yes. I think it's the TJ combo. I think most of us inherently lack tact, and if we don't work at that area, we walk all over people - especially the F folk. Not very endearing. ;)

I have found that I am much more likely to be appreciated down the road than immediately. Mostly, I just end up with people angry or annoyed with me because I said what they were all thinking, anyway.
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Re: Are ENTJs underappreciated?

Postby Dohavior » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:07 pm

I remember reading this post before and being so angry at the illogical back tracking hindsight that I just walked off and never joined the site.

It is not contributions to acknowledge the big fish in the tiny pond. Every business man knows profit is what you have after counting your losses. The post presented only Macro level exchanges showing nothing of the micro transactions that shaped such titans.

What's 200% profit to 1m if I can take a penny and make it into $100? Money makes money it should be easier to acquire it with such figures. Such examples presented can be hated if they bite the hands that feed and squander potential profits.

I could take 2 tons of iron and make the worlds largest toilet sculpture sell it for roughly the base value worth of the iron after wasting my time. Then again perhaps I could fashion something of more value with said enormous piles of resources that I laid claim to. Perhaps something that won't turn to a pile of rust.
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